Deep Thoughts and Observations by Ken
I called the Pennsylvania chapter of the ACLU on Saturday and left a message. To their credit a representative called back this afternoon. The purpose of my contact with them was to discuss the proposed Flight 93 memorial and the Islamic symbolism that it features.

ACLU: “Thank you for contacting the Pennsylvania American Civil Liberties Union, this is Pam, what is the nature of your complaint”

Ken: “I was calling about the proposed Flight 93 Memorial in Pennsylvania, and the Islamic symbolism they are using for it”.

Pam: “I haven’t heard about this, what kind of Islamic symbolism are they using?”

Ken: “for one thing the main part of the memorial is a huge Red Crescent, and they are calling it the Crescent of Embrace”.

Pam: “So how is that an Islamic symbol?”

Ken: “A red crescent to a Muslim is like a cross to a Christian”

Pam: “Is it just some kind of artistic expression in the shape of a crescent, or are they intending to promote Islam”

Ken: “Well the designers are denying it has anything to do with Islam but the symbolism is still there and I think it is completely inappropriate to have anything symbolizing Islam in a memorial to the Hero’s of flight 93.

Pam: “Well if the designers do not have the intent on promoting a religion then I don’t see the problem.”

Ken: “If the Memorial was shaped like a cross would you have a problem with that?”

Pam: “If it was intended as a cross and to promote a particular religion then we would be very troubled with that, but if it only resembled a cross and that was not the intent of it then we would not have a problem with that either.” (Yea right!)

Ken: “So what you are saying is that even though many people may view the crescent as a bow to Islam you wouldn’t have a problem with it unless the designers specifically intended it to be a religious symbol?”

Pam: “Yes, in fact if the crescent is meant to promote understanding and multiculturalism then I would think it is quite appropriate.

The fact that they call it the “Crescent of Embrace” means that the memorial is intending to embrace other cultures”.

Ken: “Yes but it could also mean to embrace Islam.”

Pam: “I don’t see it that way. We will certainly look into it but it doesn’t sound like something the ACLU would get involved in.

Ken: Yes please look into it. There is plenty of resources on the Internet, and you can go directly to the Flight 94 Memorial website and check it out for yourself.

Pam: I will do that; if there is anything that we feel is actionable I will contact you ok.

Ken: “Please do”.

Pam: “Thank you for calling the American Civil Liberties Union."
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Comments (Page 2)
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on Sep 13, 2005
As a matter of fact, it was the families, the rescue workers, etc. who chose the design


it must be the fluoride those ay-rabs been sneakin into their water. or maybe its the subliminal messages in that disney movie.
on Sep 13, 2005

yeah and a pentagon has nothing to do with pythagoras but a pentangle has nothing to do with department of defense.

Last I checked the pentagon was not a religious symbol in anyone's mind.  You have completely lost it on this one.

on Sep 13, 2005
Ken: “for one thing the main part of the memorial is a huge Red Crescent, and they are calling it the Crescent of Embrace


yeah the main part of the back border that runs along a natural bowl...forgetting the slab with the names and the tower.
on Sep 13, 2005

If it were "accidentally" in the sign of a cross, Dabe and Kingbee, you would both be leading the charge against it.

I am surprised that they and the ACLU are not trying to ban planes, since they are in the form of a cross too.

on Sep 13, 2005
ok, Kingbee, if you are murdered we will see that your headstone is engraved with the image of your killer...


i'd suggest christina applegate cuz that's kinda whom i'm hopin will do the trick
on Sep 13, 2005
Last I checked the pentagon was not a religious symbol in anyone's mind


ahh but the pentangle was (is). and steath bombers have that triangular holy trinity shape.
on Sep 13, 2005
i'd suggest christina applegate cuz that's kinda whom i'm hopin will do the trick


ROFL!! Funny!
on Sep 13, 2005
the title of the project takes its name from a semicircular grouping of 40 strands of sugar and red maples which form the edge of a natural bowl. inside the bowl is a monument. there's also a tower.

yall have lost your minds


Really? The I guess a "bunch" of Pennsylvanians have lost theirs too. Maybe you should go read this thread. Link
on Sep 13, 2005
The I guess a "bunch" of Pennsylvanians have lost theirs too


i'm sure it has something to do with their proximity to you.

why don't you go look at the approved plans rather than some nutcase's interpretation of them.
on Sep 13, 2005
I guess a "bunch" of Pennsylvanians have lost theirs too


i'm sure it has something to do with their proximity to you.

why don't you go look at the approved plans rather than some nut case's interpretation of them.


I would guess that you're having reading problems again. The link I posted has NOTHING to do with the design of the memorial but rather it's spacial orientation.
on Sep 13, 2005
King Bee

Keep it clean.
on Sep 13, 2005

King Bee

Keep it clean.


Awww now you went and done it. He's gonna whine like crazy that you deleted his post. What do you want to bet that he claims that you're limiting his right to free speech?
on Sep 13, 2005

ahh but the pentangle was (is). and steath bombers have that triangular holy trinity shape.

Pentagram.  And now you are getting into the ACLU mindset.  Look around and see what else should be banned because it has religious overtones, even tho that is not the primary purpose.

Guess Arlington is next.  All those Crosses and Stars of David (Altho the ACLU does not care about the latter).

on Sep 13, 2005
Guess Arlington is next. All those Crosses and Stars of David (Altho the ACLU does not care about the latter).


Ya know, guy, I keep trying to like you. But, then you come out with this absolute crappola bullshit. From this statement, one can only assume that you are inferring that the ACLU is made up of a bunch of Jew commies, anyway, so no wonder they don't take issue with stars of david.

If that's not what you meant, then do you song and dance and backtrack into an apology. I'll be waiting.
on Sep 13, 2005
Although I probably would not have made the connection, I can see how the symbol could be a bad idea... right drmiller, where ever you are?
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